Table of Old Bieruń residents of December 1910 r.

Hello

Let me add one more piece of information to Andrzej's post, which may shed new light on the topic of birth. Gretka.
3.01.1820 r. Paul Bartholomeus Gretka was born, whose parents were Vincenz Gretka and Marianna Szorek, po 1820 r. this couple still lives to see it 5 daughters. You could say, that this Paul was the half-brother of the above-mentioned Marianna, born. w 1838 r.
Paul Gretka married w 1847 r. with Ewa Kaczmarczyk, died in 1851 r. and his wife remarried Jacob Czempas.

Vincent Gretka and Marianna née. Szorek died, leaving minor children and the above-mentioned Marianna, someone had to take care of the siblings, perhaps it was Brother Paul and that is why such information has been preserved in family records, then it was included in Marianna Gretka's death certificate.

Regards

Hey,
I bow my head.
I considered various options – also this one, that the right Marianna is the one you indicated, who was an illegitimate child.
I also considered this option, that the place of death of her parents and her place of birth are different than Bieruń Stary and were incorrectly provided in the death certificate.
Unfortunately, we will probably never find out the truth, but your version is very probable because I know from family history, that after Franz's death, my great-grandmother burned all the documents and, interestingly, the photos. I have something to think about.
Thank you very much for your help.
Regards

Adam!
Not enough, that you have enriched my search with further (and most importantly: completely correct) clues, you also talked about things, about which I had no idea, wrongly thinking, that the essence of feudal relations between the heir and the serfs was the provision of labor by the latter in exchange for the right to use “his” piece of land, and owning a miserable cottage. And there you have it! collecting cones, wine-hop-honey carts, public sewing machines, shooting at the pack on a specific day of the liturgical calendar, and to top it all off, chickens (which word disarmed me just by the beauty of its sound). This is crazy interesting. And thanks to you, I will certainly try to educate myself in this matter. This is one of those reasons, why I love all this genealogical research. Thank you very much!
Also for the second part of the answer.
names, You have entered, are exact confirmation of this, what I have already found out. In fact, after Łukasz, farm no 17 Jakub took over, although it's just flying 1780-1800 are these, which are missing in the Archdiocesan Archives. However, all the puzzles fit properly. It looks like it, that Jakub Tatoy, that you mentioned, in fact he was not a son, but Luke's son-in-law. He married Katarzyna (1758-1842) in those missing years., whose name was recorded at the time of death as “Catharina Nowok born Tatoń” (sic! with a letter “are” at the end). However, her husband appears everywhere (e.g. in the text of his son's will, Paul) as Jacob Nowok, Besitzer farm no 17. The couple's children are Jakub Nowok / Katarzyna Tatoy (Tomasz, Kacper, Jan and Paweł) have surnames everywhere “Nowok vel Tatoy”, hence it can be assumed with a considerable degree of probability, that this is the origin of this alias (Nowok took over his father-in-law's legacy, Tatoy'u). Sorry for boring you with such details, but these are such fascinating issues for me, that very often I just can't stop myself :)
As I understand it, however, the name “Nowok” in those censuses of Smardzowice, that you have, does not appear, which means, that Kuba Nowok (“Daddy” in quotation marks) came from somewhere (this thesis seems to be reinforced by his surname / nickname) and settled down in Daddy's fatherland. I'm afraid though, that it would be difficult to follow up on his case further, because of course the newcomers are the worst…
Thank you very much for your help, for detailed explanations, for your valuable comments, for a handful of very interesting news, and for the time you devoted to my affairs!
Best wishes
Stefan

Rado, please kindly.
According to the results of the query in the Katowice AAD:
1. Paul was born 26.03.1803 in Smardzowice as the son of Jacob Tatoy vel Novok and Catharina Tatoyka. In all documents, this Paul appears as Paul Novok (Nowok) vel Tatoy; also in his will drawn up in 1858 In this case, the search for kinship between Marianna (z 28.03.1878)
2. I also know from information from AAD, that Kacper, Jakub Tatoy and Katarzyna's son was born on 4.06.1789, although, when the death of his mother (Katarzyna Nowok née Tatoń) was recorded, 25.01.1842) there was a note there, that she left three adult sons: Thomas, Jonka i Paula, what follows, that Kacper was already dead at that time.
3. The last information from AAD concerns Jan Nowok (without addition “Daddy”), son of Jakub and (attention!) Jadwiga, which may be a simple mistake. Born 16.06.1795 in Smardzowice
4. I searched the record books myself and found only one matching John and one Tomasz Nowok (also without aliases); both died in Imielin.
John left 26.05.1868; it follows from the given age (75 years)., that he was born in ~1793. This would go along with John from p.3.
Thomas died 11.10.1842 as a 55-year-old, which means year of birth ~1787.
However, there is a death certificate (October 30, 1869) in the parish in Chełm Śląski of 50-year-old Zofia TAZAJ (that's right!) alias NOWOK, Wojciech Polloczek's wife. So I looked for a record of her marriage and there she is mentioned as the daughter of Tomasz Nowok from Imielin.
This is how we returned to Tazaj / tatas / Tatojów – Nowoków.
And the clue itself seems good: two sons of the Nowak alias Tatoys moved to Imielin and – this seems logical – having broken with the Tatoys' Smardzowice patrimony, started using their surname more often “Nowok” in place of “Nowok alias Tatoy”.
Therefore, later entries (e.g. concerning children do not contain this alias).

As for your second question, I know, that the AAD lacks records of weddings in the years approximately 1780 a 1800, regarding the parish in Lędziny (because Smardzowice has always belonged to it). I don't know about the data from Bieruń, unfortunately, nic.

Best wishes
Stefan

• This reply was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by Stefan Nowak.
• This reply was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by Stefan Nowak.

Stefanie,
Thank you very much. So this generation of Dads has nothing to do with “mine” Dads from Urbanowice, specifically Jan Tatoj alias Paszek, ur. ok. 1801 year, and it's possible, that 10.7.1797 in Urbanowice.

Regards,
Rado

Paweł Tatoj and his wife Marta Tatoj née. They had a nail 10 children.
1. Roman Tats 1912-1978 wife Łucja Biolik
2. Victoria, married name: Biolik 1919-2003
3. Sylwester Tats 1929-1996, wife Otylia Kulka.
4. Bernard Tats 1933-1993
5. Elizabeth, married name Widuch
6. Gertruda, married name Sitko
7. Jadwiga
8. Jozef
9. Rudolf
10. Adolf.