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    Very please thank przetłumaczenie..Z up..

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    #15087
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    All correspondence is written official language and terrible places I have big problems to understand and translate. Hence, I'm not sure, the Polish text (its meaning) corresponds exactly, What is written in the original. By the way, I am not convinced, whether everything fits just online genealogical.

    pzdr. Stefan
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    Oppeln, the 29th. July 1882

    1.

    The pleasing letter of the 13th d. Mts. concerning
    the application of a Private Community Bergäb-
    nißplatzes for the Protestant officials and elaboration-
    ter of the Upper Silesian Aktiengesellschaft for coals
    and mining to Orzesze we reply with re-
    enclosing the equipment to the Royal Consistory
    -surrender, that by the relevant provisions of the Generic.
    Landrechts the burial of corpses on non-public-
    union Bergäbnisplätzen only to the condition of
    linked prior notification to the Church superiors
    (§. 186 Tit. II Thl. II ). In our view, could
    now present case the Royal Consistory
    content themselves comfortable with it, The same well that bezüg-
    Lich all on the envisaged place
    for burial to be brought bodies and for all
    Time refund of the relevant panel and in the United-
    success which even the whole place the church Wei-
    he would be given.
    With regard to the specific provisions of § 187 the.
    it requires a regulation in the present case
    Not, as the evangelical church to Nico-
    so that, to which the concerned factory officials
    and workers are, a private cemetery itself

    2.

    does not own, and therefore by the genome in Aussischt-
    mene plant such rights not vorgegrif-
    fen is.

    Royal government
    .: toured the Hüpe

    At the Royal Consistory to Wroclaw

    ………………………………………………………………

    In response to the letter of 13. cur. month on your own personal
    cemetery workers employed in evangelical religion Coal Company
    from Orzesze, Royal Consistory politely inform, that according to the generally applicable
    regulations (§. 186 art. II, Part II of Prussia national law) burial
    the non-public cemeteries only requires notification to the ecclesiastical authorities.
    In our opinion, in this case, the mere fact of filing Konystorzowi
    burial in the designated area, entails result,
    that the area becomes a cemetery with the blessing (approval) of the church.
    As the evangelical community in Mikołów, under which employees are subject to Orzesze,
    It does not have its own cemetery, there are not additional regulations required
    (A matter of §. 187, which does not allow for private burials to avoid
    funeral fees payable to the clergy and the church / dop. my).

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    Oppeln, the 29th July 1882

    1.

    The Oberschlesiche Aktiengesellschaft for Kohlberg-
    construction to Orzesze intended under the initiative of Directorate-
    tors Bergrath axis evangelical for their officials and
    Working to create a purely private burial ground.
    As envisaged in the relevant thereto
    Place no less, as on a church or communi-
    nal cemeteries for the result, a significant number of
    Corpses should be accommodated, so are it also
    similar precautions by paramedical police positions
    to get.
    What the chosen court is concerned, Sun is already
    in the hands of one of the said mountain Raths axis
    Opinion of Kreisphysikus, which sent me after-
    gangenen communications objections to the On-
    location not pronounce. I request you Hochwohlgebo-
    ren with the axis into suitable connection to set-
    zen and with the same a regulative on Umwäh-
    tion of the cemetery, the distance between the individual Grabstet-
    th of each other and the occupation of the place with Lei-
    chen to vereinbaren.Auch from the occupancy capacity
    verschaf to the fleshed the necessary conviction-
    fen. With respect to a corresponding decoration of
    Place should a particular suggestion by your

    2.

    Highborne are unnecessary expected.
    Given that they are a private facility, so hät-
    te I can only leave it to the interested,
    with their related applications for police Ge-
    approval of the proposed plant to
    zutreten approach me, However, when the Lord Bergrath axis
    related applications at the Royal Consistorium
    asked to Wroclaw and this same to me for He-
    ledigung delivered, I believed in the interest
    act of the applicant, if I ago by the-
    Standing Your Honor ertheilten order
    the matter immediately to the next leading to the goal We-
    ge headed.
    Auszügliche copy of the Royal to the Consisto-
    Ministry directed reply I add to the pleasing
    Attention-surrender at.
    The Hinreichung the aforementioned Physikats report
    and to be agreed by means of regulative Be-
    Richts behufs approval of the plant I see am-
    nen 4 week counter.

    The government President
    In representation

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    Upper Silesian Coal Company in Orzesze intends the initiative of Director,
    Councilor mining Sachse, establish a private cemetery for employees of religion
    Evangelical. Because just as the church and municipal
    cemeteries buried there has been no small number of people,
    They must in this case be considered similar provisions sanitary cleaning.
    As for the selected area for this purpose, This adviser mining Sachse
    It is owned by the county medical expert, which,
    according to information received by me, not in this case
    no objection. Please contact the Honorable Mr.
    with Mr. Sachse, to agree on the matter of the cemetery fence,
    spacing and arrangement of graves graves. Also see
    what is the capacity of a cemetery. When it comes to design appropriate
    land, that any initiative from the Lord's hand will
    probably unnecessary.
    Since this is a private venture,
    pozostawiłbym only interested,
    to the respective administrations turned to me.
    Since counsel applied for mining Sachse
    to the Royal Consistory, and he gave them
    to consider me, thought, I was acting
    in the interest of the applicant, when I gave the course
    by granting the above Honorable Lord
    order.
    For your information, I enclose a copy of the letter feedback
    directed to the Royal consistory.
    To allow for authorization of the establishment
    I expect in the cemetery 4 weeks delivery
    the said judgment and the district doctor
    reports on. agreed rules.

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    Orzesze, the 28. December 1882

    An
    the Royal District
    Herrn Winterfeld
    Excellency
    Pless

    Your Excellency, I have the honor to from
    honest available from 17. November – 21171 –
    communicate respectfully, I with the local for the
    Protestant Kirchohof designed regulative be in favor-
    I stood.

    Under returning the supplements I recommend
    Sincerely
    Drawn

    ……………………………………………………….

    Do
    Royal Landrat (county district governor)
    Mr. Winterfeldt Pszczyna

    This is to inform the Honorable Mr.,
    I agree to the rules laid
    dot. local Lutheran cemetery.

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    Oppeln, January den 29ten 1883

    The pleasing report dated 18th d. Mts. give-
    I nehmige the application of a private, common-
    Begräbnißplatzes-Community for the Protestant
    Officials and workers of the Upper Silesian shares-
    company for the coal mining industry in Orzesze on the
    of the company in a related südwestelich of
    the colony Mariahütte immovable about 13 With
    comprehensive land, in accordance with the inserted-
    ranged situation plan.
    Your high-borne want to inform the qu. Give-
    society put in knowledge and the same for Her-
    a position of the enclosure Begräbnißplatzes
    by provisos of the regulations submitted to
    hold.

    The District President
    In representation
    ………………………………………….

    I hereby authorize the establishment of private
    Cemetery officials and workers religion
    Evangelical employed by the Company Coal
    Orzesze in the area belonging to the Company
    located southwest of the colony
    Mariahütte area covering approximately. 13 ares
    according to the plan situational przestawionym.
    Please inform the Honorable Mr.
    this fact mentioned company and call it
    to perform the cemetery fence
    submitted pursuant to the provisions of.

    Regency president (Opole)
    signed

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    Oppeln, the 29 October 1898

    While we have in our disposal from
    12. February d. Js. II. II. 133 the attempt prospect
    posed, from the reserve fund of the Freikux-
    monies fund the highest possible Beihülfe for
    Preparing a Umwährung on the Kich-
    to gain the yard Orzech'er Feldkirchenerstrasse. After-
    but which we now from our files
    have found, that we said
    Fund Beihülfen to cemetery Umwährungen
    are generally not granted, had
    we regret to our wide from each-
    ren steps, to make a liquid Beihülfe,
    refrain, as such …gifts just in it-
    constricting buildings of church buildings be-
    agrees to.
    They want to inform the Catholic Kirchenvor-
    was in Woschczitz under delivery of the
    again when assembled cost estimate in Knows-
    put NISS.

    An
    the Lord District
    in
    Pless

    ………………………………………………..

    In our decision of 12 February
    cur. the we promised, that the implementation of
    cemetery fence will be in Orzesze
    attempt to obtain the greatest possible financial support
    from the Silesian Fund of Free nudges.
    However, after finding, that, as a result of our
    akt, assistance for the construction of the fence from the Fund
    can not be given, unfortunately, we had to
    abandon further action in order to obtain.
    This type of aid may only be granted
    the urgent construction of church buildings.
    Please inform the above fact
    The Management Board of the Catholic Church in Woszczyce
    and to convey the attached calculation.

    For the governor of the district
    Pszczyna

    #15089

    Thank you very much for the translation, it is important with helping to reach the heart of our poszukiwan..Wraz with a group of enthusiasts trying to play small stories liquidated today in the cemetery ewangielickiego Orzeszu..Najbardziej care about the fate of understanding and kinship buried it to ludzi..Aby we need to reach to get through a lot of old pism..Dlatego assistance such as p.steamo61 interpreter is invaluable and helps to find a new place tropy..Znalaezlismy this cemetery tombstone plaque with his wife in letters exchanged p.Sachse – Anna Sachse home Busse ur.1849-zm.1881…We know that only had three dzieci.To yet personally confirmed the burial cmentarzyku.Aby restore the memory of all we have to look for buried there in every piece of information manuscripts in temacie.Raz still thank you for your help and we dare to introduce the next few documents found..

    #15094

    Dare to move up p.Stefanowi other articles I wrote for tłumaczenia..Jak we try to get to a list of all buried in the cemetery and find their krewnych..Aby realize that we need to know the history of this place to get to relevant documents is archiwaliów.Czesc in Pless, Gliwice and Opolu..Do the archives of families Thiele Winckler or Schaffgotsch who have owned at different times and lands zakładów..Sprawe complicates the void is a graveyard of Protestants of all employees Orzesze but above concern górniczego..Nawiasem speaking on the occasion happened upon the clue puzzles historzycznej ..in Chronicle Ksiedza ewangielickiego Karpeckiego the cemetery is dated around the year 1860 which would be a big surprise on a scale of Upper Sląska..Wszelkie earlier writings dating to the suggestion from the cemetery by the adviser legalized director Sachse was the site of the former cemetery would be a big ciekawostką..Raz yet Please p.Stefana pomoc..Wrzucam of documents from np.ewangelikow Orzesze from the time before the establishment of the parish if necessary. in Orzeszu..Bardzo please browse it at an angle jekichkolwiek information about the cemetery ewangielickim in Orzesze..

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    subsequent scans topic

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    cd skanow

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    skany..Panie last Stefanie please see if there is something ws cemetery in Orzesze ewangielickiego.

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    The first statement concerns the intention of organizing mass temporary evangelical religion for railwaymen from Orzesze and the surrounding area. Royal Superintendentur from Gliwice welcomes the proposals approved and provides for their part all possible support in this matter.

    A second statement also applies to this case, ie. Mass evangelical organization for railwaymen from Orzesze. Author (pastor?) Informuje, such that the first Mass celebrated in the prior Sunday afternoon in the school premises in Orzesze, turnout was satisfactory, I came over 200 people.
    On the other side the author writes, that due to impassable roads during the autumn-winter season it would be difficult after a service in one place (probably in Mikołów) time to get even a second mass Orzesze, therefore proposes to limit the celebration of Mass in Orzesze in the period from November to May the days, which fall Catholic holidays.

    Another letter on the same subject. Proposal to reduce the amount of the Mass celebrated in the autumn – winter met with approval. In addition, it is recommended to sign a voluntary agreement with the members of the community in Orzesze, in which a commitment to ensure access for the pastor and cantor, corresponding payment of the latter and to hold a solid at room devotion. By the way, you should do an inventory of all evangelicals in Orzesze, detailing the families and their fathers, independent women and school-age children.

    #15136

    Thank you very much Mr. Stefanie…So in any of the writings there is no mention about the cemetery?

    #15140
    Anonymous
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    Next list revolve around the same topic. But I have not waded through the end of all these scribbles. It's hard to go …

    #15146

    Mr. Stefanie slowly, and so podziwiawm Lord for this work, ordinary German texts typed but you can translate this higher driving school ..

    #15186
    Anonymous
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    As I have written, all these writings are difficult for me, and partly not at all to read.
    Based on this, what deciphered, I can only say, that the issue of the Protestant cemetery anywhere unless there appears. All concerns a temporary mass organizations of the Evangelical diaspora Orzesze and the surrounding area, in particular, spreads on the problem of finding suitable space for this purpose.
    Could not get permission to celebrate the Protestant church services in the building of the Catholic Church, and also banned the use of the hall in a Catholic school in Orzesze, which for some time, though not quite formally, Lutherans.
    Despite mediation privy counselor Grundmann from Katowice, We failed to reach an agreement.

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    pzdr. Stefan

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