Extent of the files in the Archive in Katowice
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27 stycznia 2025 o 19:20 #44150
Valeria
UżytkownikDear fellow researchers
I have hit a dead end in my research. Any help would be highly appreciated.
I am currently looking for information concerning my great great grandfather and his son, my great-grandfather.
Jerzy (Georg) Rhenisch
He was born on the 31.12.1972 in Katowice area castle (Schloss)
married 15.04.1901 in Katowice (Nr 59/190)
His son was
Johannes Georg Reinhold Rhenisch
Born 11.07.1903 in Huta Laura
Married on the 24.09.1929 in BytomJerzy Rhenisch was administrative director of the Górnośląskie Zjednoczone Huty Królewska i Laura S.A. and a resident of Simianowice until 1936. I found various references in the newspaper archives, like stolen wallet and shareholder meetings. He was also getting a pension and had shares in companies.
But when I wrote to the archive in Katowice they don’t seam to be able to find anything, besides his marriage and birth certificates. No residential records, no tax declarations, military lists, voters lists etc.
Is it possible that there are a lot of files missing ? Is the index just bad ? Does anybody knows if it would make a difference if I would go there in person and start looking for myself ?
Thank you so much for your help
28 stycznia 2025 o 19:02 #44165Weltenwanderer
UżytkownikHi Valeria,
I think there are two problems at work here.
1) Pre-war municipal records hardly ever make it to state archives; the vast majority were simply destroyed. While municipal records often still exist for larger cities and have been transferred to state archives, the vast majority are not about people, they are about plans, budgets, numbers, etc. I have not seen any of the records you mentioned in the state archive’s holdings. Residential records MAY have survived at municipal level simply based on the low level of record destruction in that area, but then again, why are these still not at the archive?2) It is not the state archive’s job to look through thousands of metres of files, determine which ones could be relevant, and then search them individually for one person. The index of the holdings (which is quite complete in most cases) tells you which files exist, but you will hardly ever find an index that also lists every person in the records. So what you need to do is find relevant files on szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl and then either request a search, copies, or go there and search them yourself.
Kind regards,
Michael29 stycznia 2025 o 16:36 #44175Valeria
UżytkownikHi Planeswalker
Thank you for your consideration.
I can imagine that there is a problem there. But apparently they couldn’t even find the record of the census from 1920, or in the voters list or military records etc. Those are all essential tools for a modern state to operate on.
Unfortunately the only thing they said was that they couldn’t find anything but they didn’t say if anything specific was missing or there was a gap in those years and only the files x-x have survived. I think they are in the archives, they should be, but apparently they were no results.
2. Exactly. Also I do not pay them for the research. So I don’t expect them to go the extra mile. Also not speaking Polish doesn’t probably help either. I just want to determine if anybody here who has more experience can estimate if it is worth it to go there in Person and look for possible files.
Thank you very much for the direction Michael. I will do that.
Do you happen to know if it is normal for the area that such a little amount of files survived ? Also are there other archives in Poland I could ask for more info ? For example, I suppose the authorities issuing passports had at least a file on each passport they issued or the pension found had a file on each pension they payed. I suppose that hapend on the level of the central gouvernement ? Do you have any clue if something like that survived and where to look it up ? Thank you so much.
29 stycznia 2025 o 16:51 #44176Valeria
UżytkownikJust checked your site. I have been on that one already, but there is nothing on it concerning my ancestors. I checked also some Silesian archive site. There I found all the newspaper articles. I guess I realy have to go to the archive in person.
1 lutego 2025 o 22:22 #44219Weltenwanderer
UżytkownikThe census records were not retained, the point was statistical analysis, not the individuals behind the numbers.
If they retained German citizenship, then the military records are likely gone. If they became Polish citizens, then I guess your best bet would not be Katowice, but some other archive (if those records even survived).
There is no reason for a state to retain pension records for this long. I doubt they were kept.
Passports – depends on which citizenship they had. At least in Germany, passports were issued locally by the Landratsamt (county administration) in cooperation with the local police; abroad, they would have been issued by consulates (and those latter records are online). I would guess interwar Poland had a similar model.
Voter lists – again, why keep them? I have only ever seen those records survive in larger numbers in Brieg/Brzeg.
Going to the archive will only help if you can identify particular files to look through at the archive beforehand, especially since Katowice has a limit on how many files you can look at each day.
I should note here that some of the larger companies’ records have survived at the archive. For German citizenship matters, I believe Opole state archive would be a better bet; I was told they elhave a database of people they have citizenship files for which can only be accessed at Opole state archive.
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