Who Were My Silesian Ancestors?

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  • #51562
    orton
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    My grandfather’s family came from scattered villages around Olesno, in the Province of Oppeln, particularly from German-speaking communities in the region.

    Unfortunately, I was never able to ask him personally about our family’s past. Based on our family records, they had been settled in this area for over 200 years. Some documents describe our ancestors as colonists, but the paper trail appears to end around 1820, so I do not know where they may have come from before settling in the region.

    They had German given names but Slavic surnames, and this pattern continues very far back in our family tree, up to the last ancestor we have been able to trace.

    This has left me with an open question: were they more likely immigrant Germans who settled in this region, or Germanised Slavs? And if they were originally of Slavic origin, how did they come to live in German speaking villages?

    I am fairly certain that my grandfather neither spoke nor understood Polish, although it is also possible that he was afraid to admit this later in Germany because of the discrimination or persecution he may have faced after the war.

    Modern genetic testing through Ancestry and 23andMe assigns our family almost 50% Eastern European ancestry. However, our G25 coordinates appear to be shifted more toward the north than the east, though not entirely, which makes the results difficult to interpret with certainty.

    Like many others, he was forced to leave Silesia after the Second World War.

    One detail that has always stayed with my family is that he was afraid to admit his real last name. At the end of the war, the family changed it to a German surname.

    He told my mother this only once and never spoke about his past again.

    #51564
    Rado
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    Sounds rather standard to me. It depends what exactly was that name and in which period. For me, if the name is Slavic, but not ending in -ski, -cki, -tzki, then the person was rather Silesian. Also the occupation and religion matters. Germans were mostly protestant and had „better jobs”. Anyway, it depends, but I don’t see why a German person would use a Slavic surname. Given names were usually in German form, since this was the official language in the documents (earlier in Latin). The origin of a person could follow from the surname for people from before 1740, that is, before Prussia in Silesia. But it is hard to find so old documents.

    Give some specific ancestor with known dates.

    Rado

    #51566
    orton
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    Thanks for the reply and the classification.
    They seem to fit into the description you mentioned:

    Karl Stanko born 1880
    Ludwig Fronczek born 1849 Borki male
    Susanna Kowolik born 1854
    Josepha Praprotny bron 1850 Bischdorf
    Josepha Gambka born 1829
    Julianna Gajek

    The g25 coordinates are putting me a bit off since their quite northern shifted and not so much eastern.
    How would that be explained?

    #51572
    Rado
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    Fronczek, Kowolik, Paprotny – very, very Silesian!
    Others rather as well, but could be Polish, because Poland was close.
    German not in the slightest bit, I think.

    Were any of them protestant (evangelisch)?

    You should look deeper in the past, in the church documents, e.g. from Bischdorf.

    Rado

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    #51579
    orton
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    They were all catholic from what I know, but I’ve hit a brick wall since all documents before 1875 aren’t currently digitized.
    I think the only way to get more information is to physically visit the archive in Opole…

    #51580
    Rado
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    Are you sure that Josepha Paprotny was born exactly in 1850 in Bischdorf?

    I think the only way to get more information is to physically visit the archive in Opole…

    Well, if you put in your browser’s address:
    „korzenie” followed by a dot and „online”
    then maybe you will find something. You may also consult FamilySearch first.

    Regarding your ancestors: they were Silesians 🙂 Nowadays you can be proud of it!

    Rado

    #51595
    orton
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    I’ve saved the date in my family tree but im not so sure anymore, since I can’t find the document right now. Should I be suspicious about it?

    The website you recommended was useful, thank you for that Rado!
    There are a lot of documents, even about Bischdorf, which is great.

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